Thread: Signature Links - The FACTS

Here's some information about signature links. In time, people are going to start asking about exactly how much they affect PR and whether 1000s are good for your site.

First of all I'll start with an expirement run by SEO expert, SweetFunny at DP forums.

SweetFunny created a brand new site with the name "SEO" in the URL. He added his site to his signiture on a few forums where his total post count amounted to ~18,000. This is 18,000 backlinks to his site (all forums were DOfollow). He noticed after a few months that his PR went from PR N/A to PR0. Of course, over time the PR of some of the threads he posted in with his signature may increase and therefore pass more Google juice but at the moment it seems that they do nothing.

Here is some information I have heard from a member at another webmater forum, I think SitePoint. Here's some great advice that he said:

"=> Any page that has a link to your site and is indexed and not intentionally blocking the link is a backlink.

=> Only nofollow links don't help with SERPS all others are useful to varying degrees.

=> Not all forums use nofollow.

=> How the searchengine spider know the link as a comment or forum signature? A link is just a link to the SE spiders.

=> Search engines aren't stupid. Indexing and organizing billions of pages everyday shows they have the ability to discern quite a bit about the pages they index.

=> Google will not penalize you for having signature links. If it did I'd be banned 100 times over.

=> Google doesn't recognize a page as a forum. They only see it has a page. It has no more or less weight then any other page.

=> If that page isn't relevant to your site, the links won't mean much. Plus with their being so many links on a forum page there will be little PR sent your way as well.

=> Duh. Why wouldn't I put my links in my sig? I don't post here for the signature links, though. I post to help others and learn and using my signature is a great bonus. Especially when you are approaching 19,000 posts.

=> Just keep in mind that although the quantity of backlinks may increase from forum sigs, the quality of backlinks you have won't has forum sig links aren't worth much to the search engines.

=> Forum signature links have little SEO value. The pages are usually off-topic, PR is diluted to the point of virtual uselessness, and you can be sure having 15,000 links from the same domain is devalued. Signatures are best used to drive traffic to your websites and hopefully from there you can get backlinks from other webmasters because they like your content.

=> Forum signatures and most directory links have extremely little SEO value. They're just about as low quality as it gets.

=> Forum signature links send almost no PR due to the low PR of the pages and countless links on them.

=> Forum signature links definitely are not quality links.

=> The links themselves don't have a lot of SEO value is the point. I get plenty of traffic from my sig as well. And if your sitepoint sig provides most of your traffic you really need to start promoting your website!

=> Forum sigs have very little value. But they do have some value. I wouldn't go joining lots of forums for the sake of getting your links in your sigs. It's not worth the effort. Participate in forums related to your topics and participate intelligently. Yes, you'll get some links out of it, but the effect they have from that perspective will be minuscule compared to the traffic you get from members who appreciate your intelligent posts and want to see what you've got going on.

=> For me forum sig links are a bonus for participating in a forum. It definitely isn't the reason why I join a forum and post.

=> Posting in forums for the sake of getting backlinks through signatures is a waste of time. The links have such little value that the ROI is just awful. But if you participate in forums then you should take advantage of your signature as you can get decent traffic and maybe even find others wanting to link to you because they like your site.

As far as your little experiment is concerned, I've changed my signature around several times and I have a crapload of posts. No significant changes for any terms I monitor.

=> 1) I do not participate at SitePoint so I can get signature links for ranking purposes. I participate because I enjoy the discussion and learning that occurs here. Before you were members here the SitePoint signatures were not visible to search engines yet I still accumulated 20,000+ posts so that is irrefutable.

=> 2) Since I have over 22,000 post I can tell you from direct experience those signature links don't do didly poo for my rankings.

=> 3) There's more to this world then SEO. I know you may find that hard to believe but it is true. Believe it or not people click on my signature links frequently. They do it because I (usually) offer helpful and insightful posts."

So basically you're going to get more direct traffic than you will ever get from the increase in SERPs you may hope to see from increasing backlinks.

Nice post pal. Thanks for sharing.
Correct me if I am wrong:
- Signature links for SEO is good when its on a page with related content. Otherwise not that great.

Originally Posted by manik

Nice post pal. Thanks for sharing.
Correct me if I am wrong:
- Signature links for SEO is good when its on a page with related content. Otherwise not that great.

Related backlinks are always miles better than unrelated ones but I think even related ones don't get you much google juice at all. As SweetFunny did, he marketed an SEO site on webmaster forums (therefore quite highly related) and still only saw minimal increase in PR.

Making forums DOfollow is definately a good way to attract people because so many think that sig links do something great for your PR. Sig links are really useful if you want to get indexed quickly because sites like these are constantly crawled.

Originally Posted by PlateFish

Related backlinks are always miles better than unrelated ones but I think even related ones don't get you much google juice at all. As SweetFunny did, he marketed an SEO site on webmaster forums (therefore quite highly related) and still only saw minimal increase in PR.

Making forums DOfollow is definately a good way to attract people because so many think that sig links do something great for your PR. Sig links are really useful if you want to get indexed quickly because sites like these are constantly crawled.

I have to agree with on both points

Forums are always really helpful to Search engine optimisers. I have also written about it. Check here - how Forums are helpful to SEOs?

I appreciate if you digg it.

Well, i do have couple of thousands links from many forums.
and i love these links, as it shows me in my link command too.
Till now i got back links from DP and Sitepoint through link commnad, for my website...

i am waiting for the webcosmo links too.

Originally Posted by PlateFish

Here's some information about signature links. In time, people are going to start asking about exactly how much they affect PR and whether 1000s are good for your site.

First of all I'll start with an expirement run by SEO expert, SweetFunny at DP forums.

SweetFunny created a brand new site with the name "SEO" in the URL. He added his site to his signiture on a few forums where his total post count amounted to ~18,000. This is 18,000 backlinks to his site (all forums were DOfollow). He noticed after a few months that his PR went from PR N/A to PR0. Of course, over time the PR of some of the threads he posted in with his signature may increase and therefore pass more Google juice but at the moment it seems that they do nothing.

Here is some information I have heard from a member at another webmater forum, I think SitePoint. Here's some great advice that he said:

"=> Any page that has a link to your site and is indexed and not intentionally blocking the link is a backlink.

=> Only nofollow links don't help with SERPS all others are useful to varying degrees.

=> Not all forums use nofollow.

=> How the searchengine spider know the link as a comment or forum signature? A link is just a link to the SE spiders.

=> Search engines aren't stupid. Indexing and organizing billions of pages everyday shows they have the ability to discern quite a bit about the pages they index.

=> Google will not penalize you for having signature links. If it did I'd be banned 100 times over.

=> Google doesn't recognize a page as a forum. They only see it has a page. It has no more or less weight then any other page.

=> If that page isn't relevant to your site, the links won't mean much. Plus with their being so many links on a forum page there will be little PR sent your way as well.

=> Duh. Why wouldn't I put my links in my sig? I don't post here for the signature links, though. I post to help others and learn and using my signature is a great bonus. Especially when you are approaching 19,000 posts.

=> Just keep in mind that although the quantity of backlinks may increase from forum sigs, the quality of backlinks you have won't has forum sig links aren't worth much to the search engines.

=> Forum signature links have little SEO value. The pages are usually off-topic, PR is diluted to the point of virtual uselessness, and you can be sure having 15,000 links from the same domain is devalued. Signatures are best used to drive traffic to your websites and hopefully from there you can get backlinks from other webmasters because they like your content.

=> Forum signatures and most directory links have extremely little SEO value. They're just about as low quality as it gets.

=> Forum signature links send almost no PR due to the low PR of the pages and countless links on them.

=> Forum signature links definitely are not quality links.

=> The links themselves don't have a lot of SEO value is the point. I get plenty of traffic from my sig as well. And if your sitepoint sig provides most of your traffic you really need to start promoting your website!

=> Forum sigs have very little value. But they do have some value. I wouldn't go joining lots of forums for the sake of getting your links in your sigs. It's not worth the effort. Participate in forums related to your topics and participate intelligently. Yes, you'll get some links out of it, but the effect they have from that perspective will be minuscule compared to the traffic you get from members who appreciate your intelligent posts and want to see what you've got going on.

=> For me forum sig links are a bonus for participating in a forum. It definitely isn't the reason why I join a forum and post.

=> Posting in forums for the sake of getting backlinks through signatures is a waste of time. The links have such little value that the ROI is just awful. But if you participate in forums then you should take advantage of your signature as you can get decent traffic and maybe even find others wanting to link to you because they like your site.

As far as your little experiment is concerned, I've changed my signature around several times and I have a crapload of posts. No significant changes for any terms I monitor.

=> 1) I do not participate at SitePoint so I can get signature links for ranking purposes. I participate because I enjoy the discussion and learning that occurs here. Before you were members here the SitePoint signatures were not visible to search engines yet I still accumulated 20,000+ posts so that is irrefutable.

=> 2) Since I have over 22,000 post I can tell you from direct experience those signature links don't do didly poo for my rankings.

=> 3) There's more to this world then SEO. I know you may find that hard to believe but it is true. Believe it or not people click on my signature links frequently. They do it because I (usually) offer helpful and insightful posts."

So basically you're going to get more direct traffic than you will ever get from the increase in SERPs you may hope to see from increasing backlinks.

I also to agree with on both points .....:Cheer

Originally Posted by franchisesforsale

i am waiting for the webcosmo links too.

I am sure, very soon, in the next update, you will see it including in your Google BLs and can be seen now by Yahoo Site Explorer.

Originally Posted by mit

Forums are always really helpful to Search engine optimisers. I have also written about it. Check here - how Forums are helpful to SEOs?

I appreciate if you digg it.

Digged it for you pal Nice article btw.

Great post. thank you very much. I didn't know a lot of stuff that you wrote.

Originally Posted by manik

Digged it for you pal Nice article btw.

Thanks that you found it informative and digged it.

I always try to provide / circulate something good within our community.

Nice tips! Great!
Thanks for that.

=> Forum signature links definitely are not quality links.

Can you explain it in more detail please?

If that what you observed in forums links then I respect it

But to tell you that I'm getting a quality links in a do follow forums.. And it help my other websites to improve its positions...

Because links in forums frequently indexed by Google.. Especially those forums who have PR4 above..

My new websites twitter followers received it first PR1 for only 2 mos because of my quality links

Better check my indexed links where it comes from

link:followfeeder.com

Links from forum signatures are useless for SEO - they good for traffic. Just becasue a link shows up in Yahoo site exploerer or google WMT does not mean its actually passing any link juice.

Answer this:
This page is PR0; it will unlikely ever get above PR0 (most forum threads do not). I count over 100 links on the page so far (profile links; signature links; navigation links; tags links; etc) ...so that is a PR of 0 divided by over 100 links --> this means that the link juice for any one link is probably worth NOTHING!

See:
Do forum signature links help a sites ranking? | Forum Doc

Also don't forget what Matt Cutts said in a site clinic at a recent SES conference .. they were looking at a site with a 100 or so backlinks. He logged into his secret Google control panel and pointed out that only 3 of those links were actually passing any link juice (yes 3!). In other words, just becasue a link shows up as a backlink does not meant that it is passing any value.

i don't thing signature link useless for SEO, i think if you post some quality content then people visite your site these links help full for increassing traffic, and if you post with fresh and informative unique content Google crawel your post fast if forum give do follow links then it's help full for SEO point of view.